blackgirlgenius ([info]olamina) wrote,
@ 2007-01-08 21:43:00
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I may be guilty of some, all, or none of this behaviour....

The "iPod effect" on friendships

Technology and the Internet help people get exactly what they want -- but you can't go online and order a real friend. "When you're sick, you don't want e-mails, you want someone to hold your hand, someone to say, 'Let me get this for you,'" said Bernardo J. Carducci, a psychology professor at Indiana University Southeast and director of the Shyness Research Institute. Americans are struggling more today with feelings of loneliness and a lack of good friends. Carducci said many Americans forget or are unaware that making friends takes time and skills -- conversation skills, negotiation skills and empathy. "A real problem with friendships today is that people demand instant intimacy," he said. "I call it the 'iPod effect.' You can get exactly what you want, when you want it. You can have your life on your terms. You can get people to deliver movies to your home. People deliver a pizza in a half hour. You can buy stuff and have them ship it to you overnight. You can go online and talk to people who have only your same interests. No more dissenting views. You just delete them -- 'electronic cleansing' your own world. The solution is getting out of your own world."


Carducci offers the following tips for developing meaningful friendships:

"Get out of yourself." Instead of focusing on your lack of friends and loneliness, get more involved in the lives of others.
Volunteering is a great way to make friends. When you show up time and time again, it gives you and the others volunteering a chance to get to know each other in a non-critical way because you're likely more focused on the volunteer activity than each other. If you choose a volunteer activity that draws from your strengths, you'll be less self-conscious, more confident and better able to focus on the needs of other individuals; such individuals will appreciate your skills and concern for others. After a while, your volunteer contacts can evolve into social contacts if you suggest going to a movie or getting coffee after the volunteer activities. Carducci said this is a good way to expand your support network because you can get to know the volunteers better and, eventually, some of their friends and family.
Give it some time. It takes time for people to get to know your interests, qualities and how you fit into their lives.
Reciprocity -- it's not all about you. "We're so much more in tune to receiving, 'What can you do for me,'" Carducci said. "The core of friendship is, "'What can I do for you.'"
Take an interest in people around you. "We're more interested in the lives of celebrities than we are in the lives of our neighbors," Carducci said.
Practice making small talk to build conversation skills. "People have this need to be with others, but they don't know how to do it," Carducci said. "They go to Starbucks with their laptops and iPods but expect other people to come to them and get them to log off. We make it really hard."




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[info]betchka
2007-01-09 03:18 am UTC (link)
"We're more interested in the lives of celebrities than we are in the lives of our neighbors"

Ouch, so true. I just read an article on happiness and volunteerism linking the two--like mentioned above. Trying to figure out what my niche is.

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[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 05:48 pm UTC (link)
I was a little skeptical of that article. I guess I'm just skeptical of the "push for happiness" movement in general.

I don't get the celebrity worship. I want to know the story of the super hot couple down the street, the story of the seemingly sweet Chinese people who run the ghetto Chinese joint, or the story of the bum with the fucked up club foot.

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[info]olamina
2007-01-09 06:06 pm UTC (link)
I'm absolutely averse to the push for happiness thing. It seems the only point of it is to avoid making others feel uncomfortable.

Oddly enough I have zero interest in my neighbors and I never have. Bring on the celeb mags any day.

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I don't get it
[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 06:38 pm UTC (link)
What's so interesting about the lives of celebrities? I guess I could understand if they actually did something cool, but celebrities are almost always actors and musicians. Who cares?

I like hearing about degenerates, but I find it a hundred times more interesting to find out that the beautiful girl who works at Tystnaden Vintage is a depressive foot fetishist, and the hot girl at Caf Fine is a recovering junkie who had a threesome with friends of mine. I find that more interesting than hearing that Lindsey Lohan is a bad mother.

I love my musician and actor friends, but shit... they're no more interesting than my artist or scientist friends.

I dunno. You go to Dash Snow openings and interact with famous musicians - isn't that more interesting than reading about them? Why does anyone care what some third rate actress wore to Dean and Deluca?

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being invited in
[info]olamina
2007-01-09 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, I never really thought about this. I think I am fascianted with celebrities precisely because they are mostly untalented people who have been held up as these beacons in our society. The pillars of style and beauty. I think I like them because they are shiny and rich and often good looking. I like going to Dash Snow openings and interacting with famous artists and musicians but for some reason that proximity makes me loathe to pry further in their lives unless I am invited in. Celebrities invite us all in.

Also I am not really interested in degenerates or depraved people. No offense to any of the involved parties, it just doesn't do it for me.

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[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 08:05 pm UTC (link)
That makes sense.

I guess that's part of my dislike. I'm automatically contrarian when it comes to stuff that my society is really into.

I guess I like debasing celebrity stories and celebrity nudes precisely because it debases the whole notion of fame. It's invasive and gross and, for me, emblematic of celebrity worship. I get the nudes and the cool stories without any of the shitty films or talk shows.

For everything else, I'm just a gossip, I guess. And I want to gossip about who I think is interesting, which includes people around me, and doesn't include many actors.

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[info]olamina
2007-01-09 08:41 pm UTC (link)
I used to be contrarian for the sake of being punk rock and all but then I just stopped. I would have to make one small distinction however and state that while I do take interest in celeb gossip, I do not WORSHIP these people or wish to be like them. They are entertainment not idols.

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[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 08:55 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I knew that you didn't worship anyone. On the whole, celeb gossip is probably safer than RL gossip, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

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RL gossip - yikes!
[info]olamina
2007-01-09 09:03 pm UTC (link)
you're living on the edge!

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[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 08:58 pm UTC (link)
And I've just come to learn that I generally dislike most popular U.S. stuff. I figure if it's good I'll get around to it eventually (like Lost, The Wire, or the Yeah Yeah Yeahs).

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Re: I don't get it
[info]bopscotch
2007-01-09 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I tend to care about musicians. But I don't necessarily treat them like celebrities. When I had a chance to talk to Jeremy Barnes (of Neutral Milk Hotel fame and A Hawk And A Hacksaw), he and I talked about prepared pianos on his very-underrated first A Hawk And A Hacksaw album. A bunch of people interrupted us to talk to him about Jeff Mangum and other gossip, which was just plain idiotic and rude, especially since I wanted to talk to him about, well, musician stuff, not the latest low-down about Mangum. If we had more time, I would have asked him about philosophy and Eastern Europe (which plays into his second album, even referencing Slavoj Žižek).

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Re: I don't get it
[info]bopscotch
2007-01-09 07:48 pm UTC (link)
I am with you though on finding out about the hot couple down the street (or in my case, right across the street), the people who come into the same coffee shop i hang out at, etc. They're real people. Celebrity worship really puts me off.

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Yes
[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 08:09 pm UTC (link)
And if it's someone I can't talk 'shop' with, I usually don't want to talk to them.

Example: I had a hard-on for Bjork and used to see her around, but what would I say? "I like your music?"

When I used to make art, having people come up and say, "I really like your art" always freaked me out. I never knew what to say, other than "thank you." Usually that would be followed by awkward silence. Gossip would be way better than that.

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Re: Yes
[info]olamina
2007-01-09 08:50 pm UTC (link)
That was kinda how I felt when I saw David Bowie. I just had nothing to say. Even though we are in the same industry, I am not a musician. I am a fan. May as well leave the dude alone to do his thing.

I DO however occasionally have things I want to tell celebrities. Like, I knew I wanted to tell Chloe Sevigny that I thought she was fabulous after seeing her in Big Love and I also knew I wanted to tell Demetri Martin that I suspected he got laid a lot, so I told them when I saw them. I have a memo waiting for Claire Danes when I see her also. Barring that, I like to leave those people alone. They don't want to befriend me, and there is ample info about them on the internet.

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Re: Yes
[info]bopscotch
2007-01-09 10:35 pm UTC (link)
I try my best avoid being that person who just says one-liners like "I really like your art." So I stepped up the plate and asked him about his work, which I'd imagine not many people do. He seemed to be confused about it for a moment, but once we got around that bend, he was totally game to talk about how he took a piano and messed with it to get those sounds on that album.

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Re: I don't get it
[info]olamina
2007-01-09 08:36 pm UTC (link)
oo interesting. i'll have to check out the album is it a solo thing or AHAAH ?

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Re: I don't get it
[info]bopscotch
2007-01-09 10:27 pm UTC (link)
It's A Hack And A Hacksaw album. I'm assuming you mean the second one I was talking about. It's titled "Darkness At Noon."

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[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 06:39 pm UTC (link)
And I liked what you had to say on Momus blog. I didn't have anything to contribute.

And another thing: there was a study a few years ago that showed that happy people are generally worse to strangers than unhappy people. I'll dig up the article if you're interested.

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[info]olamina
2007-01-09 06:50 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! I was wondering whether you'd seen that.

I'd love to see that article if you can find it!

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[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 08:53 pm UTC (link)
http://uberdionysus.livejournal.com/70977.html

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[info]bopscotch
2007-01-09 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to read that too. Sounds fascinating!

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[info]uberdionysus
2007-01-09 08:54 pm UTC (link)
http://uberdionysus.livejournal.com/70977.html

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[info]mrkevincostner
2007-01-09 03:48 am UTC (link)
Don't listen to this lunatic! Your only real friends are right here on live journal! If you go out there you'll only meet with losers who only have one "userpic" (their face). And good luck making an html comment with one of those sickos.

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[info]donttouchmyhat
2007-01-09 04:45 am UTC (link)
Bravo and amen!

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"who only have one 'userpic' (their face)."
[info]claudelemonde
2007-01-09 06:23 am UTC (link)
BRILLIANT

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[info]olamina
2007-01-09 01:11 pm UTC (link)
You're absolutely right.
Ugh one userpic, that, that's just...sick!

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[info]mrkevincostner
2007-01-09 01:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad your coming around. You tell these other potential new "friends" that if they really wanted to be your friend, they would be on your FRIENDS PAGE.

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